that's it for us, now it's ari with "the last word." just ahead, is the president trying to incite division in midst of a pandemic?

that's what a number of democrats believe after trump supported antidemocratic governor protests. plus hospitals and state officials say they don't have enough supplies or funding to ramp up coronavirus testing and the president has all but refused to help. what trump's refusal is going to mean for fighting this pandemic. end of this hour, potential good news to report. promising data on a possible treatment for coronavirus patients. let's begin with tonight's numbers. numbers of deaths linked to coronavirus worldwide has passed 151,000. more than 2.2 million reported cases of the coronavirus around the globe, in the united states, 698,366 known infections.

36,559 people have died from the coronavirus in the united states. as the numbers continue to climb, trump is looking to blame anyone but himself to the disastrous federal response. who better than the officials who often stepped up when the federal government let down its citizens? the nation's governors. in a series of all caps tweets, the president tweeted liberate michigan, liberate minnesota, liberate virginia. three states whose democratic governors have issued stay-at-home orders, 42 states in total have and now those governors are doing their best to keep the coronavirus from spreading in their states. instead of supporting the governors, trump sided with protesters pushing back on the stay-at-home orders. governors are warning these protests could make the virus spread faster but trump has in effect given the green light for people to put their lives in

danger, go out, protest and stand up to their governors who are trying to keep them safe. president is trying to blame the governors for anything he thinks isn't going his way, during this pandemic, like the testing issue. testing is one of the most important measurements for how quick quickly this virus is spreading and how effective efforts to stop its spread are working. but the president is almost nowhere to be found on the testing issue. there is no national plan for testing americans. make that clear. there is no national testing plan in place. the "washington post" reports quote, trump's buck stops with the states posture is largely designed to shield himself from the blame should there be new outbreaks after states reopen or other problems. 3.5 million people have been tested in the united states, significant improvement from early testing stumbles but far short of the millions of tests

per day that experts say is needed to begin safely reopening the economy. and some leaders are now at their wit's end. quote a dereliction of duty how described lack of a national testing plan on a phone call with mike pence and democratic leaders. new york governor andrew cuomo also went on the offensive on the testing issue. >> don't ask the states to do this. it's up to the governors, up to the governors, up to the governors. okay. is there any funding so i can do these things that you want us to do. no. that is passing the buck without passing the bucks. >> minutes later donald trump tweeted back, get out there, get

the job done, stop talking. he tweeted that in midst of cuomo's press conference and reporter read the tweets to governor cuomo. his response typifies the frustration many officials at state and local level are feeling with the federal government. >> irs first of all if he's sit home watching tv, maybe he should get up and get to work. i don't know, what should i do send a bouquet of flowers. only thing he's doing is it's up to the states to reopen. it was always up to the states. what are you going to grant me what the constitution gave me before you were born? it's called the tenth amendment, i don't need the president of the united states to read the constitution for me. maybe he should have read the constitution before he said he had the power to open the states. >> what's most remarkable about cuomo sounding off is what didn't happen next. president trump didn't respond,

didn't tweet. like some of the governor's remarks have hit close to home? couldn't help but notice how unusual the response was for trump. back and forth isn't just a war of words but ideas. ideas about who is responsible for the lives of americans. when should states take charge and when should the federal government step in. it's critical there's a unified plan of action right now. less cohesive a plan is, greater the chance of a resurgence of the virus, and we stand all the more likely to see a second surge of coronavirus in the united states the longer the states and the federal governments are at odds over how to combat that pandemic. maureen is a nurse at beaumont hospital in michigan, keeping a video diary of experiences treating covid-19 patients. in one entry she described fears of a second coronavirus surge.

>> i think my biggest fear of course is another surge. first couple of weeks were a war zone. that's not the case right now. i feel confident that our health system is able to continue to accommodate patients at this rate. but a second surge, i don't know what that would look like, and i -- it would be devastating in so many ways. >> all right, leading off the discussion, ron klain, former senior aide to vice president joe biden and president obama. and nicholas kristof, a pulitzer prize winning columnist for the "new york times," covering the coronavirus pandemic and went on the front lines inside two new york city hospitals treating covid-19 patients. nick start with you and start there. that's where the battle is being fought. donald trump thinks he's in a

battle with governors and liberating states but real battle is in the hospitals where they continue to be short of personal protective equipment sometimes, working multiple shifts. what did you see? >> i would love to escort president trump into some of these hospitals. i think he might have a somewhat different tone if he did visit them. so the two hospitals that i visited were overrun, they were overwhelmed, the staff is completely heroic. they don't have good tools. they've been trying things like hydroxychloroquine, have not been terribly effective. intubation and ventilators likewise have not been terribly effective. doctors and nurses and respiratory therapists go around every day, scared, not sure their ppe is adequate, reassuring patients, assisting them, encouraging them.

and one young doctor told me she goes home at night and then cries because she isn't able to do what she was trained to do, save lives. and to see that kind of heroism and their determination to do everything they can to save lives and they describe feeling let down by washington, which wasn't attacking the problem with the same determination. >> ron, even in ebola, any of the things, nurses, doctors, frontline workers, emts are the heroes. in ebola, we thought we had lost a nurse in dallas, sent to washington on an airplane, whole nation watching that. we know they're the heroes. what we didn't have was nonsensical battle going on between donald trump and certain

governors. he knew when he said it's his decision to open the country, i don't know if he had read a pamphlet about the constitution, let alone the constitution, not within his power but decides to embark on a counterproductive endeavor rather than work with the people fighting this disease. >> it's a great point, president trump the other day asserted powers he doesn't have to shut down and open the economy, but he's not exercising the powers he does have to get the medical equipment to the kind of people nick saw working in new york and in hospitals all over the country right now. they deserve face shields, appropriate protective gear, gloves and gowns that will really work. that's something we did in ebola response, took control of the supply chain, got equipment where it needed to go to to protect people on the front lines. fact we're not doing that is double tragedy.

first is the human tragedy that nick reported on, horrible impact on the doctors, nurses, respiratory technicians and all the workers in the hospitals. we're going to see them get sick at the moment we need them on the job. we should protect them because it's right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do if we want them to take care of us when we need medical care. >> nick, we're not mathematicians, nor scientists or medical people but one thing we know, determining rate of infection and mortality rate are based on a denominator. that involves understanding how many people have this infection. unless we test enough people, we don't need that. talking about reopening the economy we have to test to see if people have the antibodies. dr. fauci was asked about this at white house briefing today. i don't know how he stands next to the president, always has

something to say that seems to be at odds with the president. listen to what he said to us. >> i want to make sure that people understand not to underestimate the importance of testing. testing is a part, important park part, of a multifaceted way we're going to control and ultimately end this outbreak. >> but ultimately, nick, this is weird. from the beginning this has been the thing the president has been fighting about. used to say anybody who needs a test can get it, when we had evidence that's not the case. doctors on the show saying we don't have the materials for testing, swabs to put in people's nose, ability to meet the criteria. here in new york city if you're not sick enough to get hospitalized, not able to get a test even with the symptoms of coronavirus. something this basic is holding us back. we're not going to get a handle on this thing or get to the white house's phase one, two and three to reopen the economy

unless we can ramp up testing. it's befuddling that we can't. >> yeah, and look this is hard. i don't think that many people had anticipated the shortage of swabs for example or reagent. but the need for tests is one of the most basic things that people were talking about in january. and there's a legitimate debate now about how we reopen the country, to what extent we can reopen schools in some places. but that depends on our understanding of community transmission in those cases and that's going to depend on a large amount of diagnostic testing and seriological testing for antibodies. virtually no ability for

seriological testing and not enough for the diagnostic. giving people the tools to figure out what they can do, that's not policy formation, that's policy vandalism. >> policy vandalism indeed. ron klain, what if anything has to happen now? fauci and other people keep saying reopening the country is not a date certain thing, depends on where the virus is, how it's going. president has capitulated to the constitution and told governors it's in your hands now. it does become confusing in situation of this magnitude to not know who is in charge and when we are getting back to work. >> should be science-based leadership from washington but

president has made it clear, sent the signal to his base, to outlaw governors, reopen as soon as possible without regard to testing or state of the disease. that's what he's saying when he tweets out liberate michigan, minnesota, virginia. he's not going to get testing in place. without testing we're opening blind. president needs to fix that. >> worth noting that more americans died from coronavirus yesterday than during the entire iraq war, and we haven't got a handle on this yet. thanks to both of you. coming up, look at state of coronavirus testing with two doctors, how the trump administration failed early on and is still failing states. what needs to happen now for the united states to succeed. xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough.

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been tested for covid-19 and testing has plateaued at average of 150,000 daily. countries with populations more than 5 million and how we stand. public health experts tell nbc news testing would have to be at least doubled or tripled from current levels to allow for even a partial reopening of the economy. without testing on massive scale, federal and state officials and private companies will lack a clear picture of who has been infected, who can safely return to work. say they don't have supplies or funding needed to ramp up testing, and donald trump has refused to help. new york governor andrew cuomo voiced frustration about the lack from the trump administration today. >> he said 11 times i don't want

to get involved in testing, it's too complicated and too hard. i know, that's why we need you to help. i can't do an international supply chain. he wants to say, well i did enough. yeah, none of us have done enough. we haven't. because it's not over. >> joining me now, dr. zeke emanuel, nbc news and msnbc senior medical coin tributer and dr. richard besser, acting director at centers for disease control where he coordinated response to h 1 n 1 virus. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us. dr. zeke emanuel, you've been talking about testing -- we've been talking about this on msnbc

for months now. you've been talking about testing because without the testing other things don't fall into place. can't understand rates of change, rates of infection, rates of mortality and what's working and what's not working if you don't know who's got this infection. >> that's absolutely right. we're testing 160,000 cases, minimum experts say it 500,000 tests per day. i estimated probably need 2 million to start with and need to expand as we open up more of the economy, test more people going back to work and interacting with the public. problem is cdc recommendations for testing are heavily focused on people who have symptoms, trying to diagnose people who have illness. what you need to open the economy is diagnose the spread of the disease, means people intersecting with other people.

frontline health care workers, frontline transit workers, bus drivers, people in grocery stores, police officers, when you add all those people up, you quickly come to we need to test 7 million or 8 million per week just for that group. forget patients, people intersecting. and want to make sure they're not spreading the virus like that woman who had a 40th birthday party in connecticut, or biogen meeting in boston. you need to test a lot more people. idea all we need it 4.5 million tests a month is ridiculous. that's if you want to focus on symptoms. we want to focus on limiting spread, that requires millions more tests per day and week than the government has predicted and as you point out, that's only step one, not whole chain of

what you need to do to open the economy. >> it's the basis, but it's the basis we've been jostling about for a long time and thing we needed to do right in the beginning. dr. besser, some thinking there are seriological tests, determine whether you had the test, maybe you're asymptomatic, should be able to on large scale determine whether or not you had infection. nonscientists would think, if i get this thing, get a relatively fast result and shows i have antibodies, had the infection, i'm good to go back to work, is that naive? >> a lot more work needs to be done to determine what level of protective factors or antibodies in your blood would indicate you're protected from future infection and you've had it and are safe to go back to work. but back to the issue of testing and why it's so critically

important, what we're talking about is moving from a strategy where everyone is social distancing to one where public health system needs to identify people very quickly who are infected and sick, isolate them so they can't spread to other people, identify all the people they've come in contact with, it's called contact tracing, one of the oldest methods in public health, and get those people into quarantine, isolated from other people so they're not able to infect people if they become sick. that strategy can prevent big outbreaks from occurring when we start to change the distancing measures. would have to come in next phase of responding to the coronavirus pandemic. i just love hitting the open road and telling people

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all right. we're back. i hope everybody can hear me now, dr. richard besser is there, dr. zeke emanuel and you guys are out there. we're in new era, broadcasting from homes and every now and then we get technical gremlins into the system. we're back. thanks gentlemen, for your patience. zeke emanuel, want to ask you about this report that came out that suggests there was a test conducted at university of chicago with an existing drug, 133 people tested and all but two have recovered from serious coronavirus. two people perished, what do you know p the test and what should we make of it? >> remdesivir is antiviral that works to stop reproduction of the virus in the lung cells.

developed about 17 or 18 years ago by gilead, never found a home for use, been tried in several different conditions. and there is some -- has been some early data that it's promising and working. now, you know the big problem in all these trials where you don't have a randomized trial setting and don't randomize patients is what's called patient selection, are you using drug on some patients likely to do better and not on patients likely to do worse, or what other criteria subtly play on you. until we have randomized, controlled data, it's going to be very hard to know whether this drug works. that i think is the major problem where -- with evaluating the study.

on the other hand in this moment we're under -- the government is under huge pressure to get a treatment. and i might say we've been here before, you know, it was hydroxychloroquine just a few weeks ago. that has gone by the wayside for lots of reasons it didn't seem plausible. this may be more plausible. let me say one other thing though that i think the viewers need to keep in mind. in viral infections like hiv, hepatitis c, one of the things we've learned is one drug isn't going to work, you need multiple drugs to work at different stages. in the case of covid-19, maybe you need an antiviral, maybe you need immune modulating drug or two antiviral drugs. it may work, remdesivir, and may be great, audience should

remember it's not that easy to give, it's not a pill but infusion, takes five to ten days depending on the regimen that people are using, this is not something for mass production. that i be good for people very sick to bring them back. remember you don't want to get a lot of people very, very sick. it's not going to save us or make it easier to open up the economy with lots of people getting sick and going in to get this drug. that's a very poor way of operating. >> and dr. besser, there's news out of france that drug maker partnering with smith cline to produce what they say is 600 million doses of a vaccine by 2021. vaccines are difficult to develop the so i don't know if

aspirational statement or if it says if we get vaccine we have the capacity to create those doses. what is your understanding of the time line to a vaccine? >> i like to be cautious when it comes to promising vaccines or drugs on a certain time line, it's better to underpromise and overdeliver. there are many viral infections for which we've been trying for decades to develop vaccines without success. i worry about announcements about vaccines and trials is more about stock price than the likelihood the vaccines will make it through. these are vaccines that haven't been tried in people. one concern i have is there's such pressure that vaccines will be given to people on large scale without adequate safety testing. we have the fda for a reason to ensure all the drugs given to

people are effective and safe. don't want to short change that process. let's not rush to vaccinate before we know we have something that truly works. >> yeah, you make a very interesting point. yesterday afternoon when the word of the gilead treatment was leaked out to a newspaper, the shares of that company shot through the roof and actually turned the stock market around. thinking to myself, might be interesting drug but boy did all of us who own stock suddenly become brilliant about medicine and infectious diseases. i think your caution is wise one. thanks to consider richard besser and dr. zeke emanuel. zeke and i will be back next friday night for a special, life in the time of coronavirus. going to focus on the science and medicine. coming up, donald trump

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same tweet scream wiabout minnesota and virginia. tim kaine asked pence why trump was trying to incite in midst of a pandemic, we know while, all three states have democratic governors and swing states that donald trump hopes to win in november. even though clearly violating social distancing guidelines, putting themselves and others, overburdened health system at risk. trump is supporting them because -- >> they seem to be protesters that like me. >> wow. there have been a series of protests popping up around the country featuring trump flags and paraphernalia and hats. video from orlando. former republican governor of

new jersey and christine todd whitman tweeted this. this president is now truly getting out of control. in talking about liberating the states, he's using language that could lead to rioting. no one has done more to undermine the country than donald trump. >> joining me, whitman and debbie dongle of michigan. senior whip. governor, you were cabinet secretary, you're governor of a state. a week in which the president said he's in charge in violation of the constitution. now backed down, told governors they're in charge. now feeding idea that people should protest. people went to michigan state house and protested next to each other, no social distancing, what is going on here? >> it's all about re-election.

that's what's so extraordinary. this man plays politics with every single issue. what we're facing today is much too important. seems to be this idea that he is promoting -- that governers somehow don't want to reopen their states, they like this, particularly democrat governors. that's the furthest thing from the truth. governors feel the economic impact, many have constitutional requirement to balance their budgets and closer to their constituents than those who go to washington and never come out. they care about their people and lives and economy. they want to reopen but in a reasonable way. they need help of the federal government to get the tests and protocols they require to understand when it's safe and who can be next. and to have a president undermine his very own words when he says, social distancing, then he encourages people to go

out and tweet and frankly on virginia, free virginia, protect the second amendment, what guns have to do with the coronavirus, i have no idea. >> and i think you make a really important point here. state governments cannot print their own money and can't assume cases in many cases in operations. having the state shut down is very expensive matter. congresswoman, your governor is picked on by the president almost as much as governor of new york does. cuomo is his favorite punching bag but gretchen whitmer is a close second, seems to have beef with her and what she's doing, following outlines by fauci and birk birx and the cdc and the president's recovery plans which were passed. what are you worried about?

>> the pottics and how we've got to dial this down. i'm living in a state with a high death rate today. depending which day it is, not a contest you want to win, third or fourth highest state in the country with number of cases of covid. right now we've got to worry about keeping each other safe. everybody knows me, i'm not a stay-at-home person, been in condominium for 34 days, not physically near another human being, which isn't -- but i'm doing it because it's what we have to do. i've had more than 20 family and friends die -- die -- in the last six weeks. i don't want anybody else to diech die. that's why she's doing it, not to make people feel like prisoners which many of us frankly do. we've got to -- we can go back

to campaigning in a few weeks but let's work together to save lives right now. >> governor, again you have been someone who has been a governor and cabinet secretary, worked in government. it is really hard for us outside to understand what's going on in the white house and in the administration right now because it does seem to vacillate from day to day, once in a while president gives a press conference with stats and data and plans and cdc and fauci and birx have a role, other days goes strangely political and attacks people. for regular people watching tv, trying to get past this, looking for leadership and very confused when their governors are fighting with their president. >> i don't blame them. that's the problem because the president does have the bully pulpit and he gets the most press. when he starts saying things

that are contrary to things he said day before, sows confusion in everyone's mind. it's good you have six northeastern states banded together, some of the midwestern states and three of the western states going to coordinate how we reopen and do this. this coronavirus doesn't care about geopolitical boundaries, one state or the other and people travel between them. really critically important if we want to get behind this so we can get back to the politics of an election year. but as the congresswoman said, this should not be about politics and the president's re-election. all these actions, pivot from total control to no, it's governors, but don't pay attention to governors in certain states, it's all about politics and that's just wrong right now. >> congressman dingell, you come from a state where not only does the shutdown affect you directly

but you have mavssive trade wit canada and that border remains closed as well. we ran out of money for the small businesses yesterday. president has dangled idea of congress adjourning. may need two to three times the money for small businesses to keep employees on payroll. what do you believe next step looks like at least staunching some of the economic bleeding before we get back to work? >> we have to do two things. should have last week, late last week to have passed a bill to immediately get more money into this program. in last two days had more businesses, probably 100 phone calls between yesterday morning and this evening, still on the phone an hour ago with businesses and small restaurants scared to death about what's going to happen. michigan was 35th in country in terms of the amount of money

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right now farm workers, they're still working for the most part as usual. they live check to check. they don't have the safety net that others do. they don't even have access to unemployment insurance because a lot of them are undocumented. they want to be treated with dignity. they're just trying to do work, and it's dignified work that they're doing. >> millions of latinos are among the essential workers on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic. when i say front lines, they work so we can eat, we can function. and they're in urgent need of protection. latino communities are set to suffer a massive economic blow as they face wealth disparities that are rooted in generations of inequality. a new national poll released today found that 65% of latinos have lost their job, seen their

hours or wages reduced, lost substantial business revenue, or have gone out of business altogether. nbc news senior writer suzanne gamboa reports, quote, coronavirus could decimate latino wealth, which was hammered by the great recession. the crisis has either erased or is threatening to erase latinos' decade-long climb back to financial stability. joining me now is congressman joaquin castro, a democrat from texas, and the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. he represents san antonio where today thousands again lined up for miles at a food bank. that image is unbelievable. congressman, i want to talk to you, and it's a bigger conversation than we can have right now about latinos in general and wealth and challenges to them. but i want to talk to you about agricultural workers because they make up a massive proportion of our agricultural workers. i've got a quote from a farm worker organizer named lupe gonzalo. he's with the coalition of immokalee workers in florida, in

which he says something quite poignant. in non-coronavirus times, farm workers are already silent. they are not able to ask for drinking water or other basic human rights. now farm workers are not going to be able to demand that their bosses have additional places for them to wash their hands or ask for protective gear. that's even before we're talking about $1,200 checks and extended unemployment, congressman. we have a whole bunch of people in this country who are working under the radar, who are qualifying for nothing. >> yeah, no, that's right. and he's absolutely right. this pandemic has not only exposed, but it's exacerbated a lot of the inequities in american society. and you take farm workers as one example. for many years these were folks were often ignored, not thought much about. there was a reluctance to bring them into the fold of american citizenship, for example, and yet they're out there during this pandemic working probably

longer hours than even they have ever worked to make sure that our grocery stores are well stocked. and so i hope that not only will they get the protective gear that they need and the workplace protections that they need right now, but they'll also get the economic relief that they deserve and, in the long term, that we will take into account the fact that when we needed them most, they came through for this country in a big way. >> yeah, it's kind of incredible because if you didn't think they were essential workers, you're learning now when you have to eat that they are. you're asking for some specific things. you and 36 other lawmakers have asked for legal protections from deportation for essential agricultural workers, direct financial assistance to agriculture employees to give them some things they don't qualify for, food assistance to them, expanded child care for them, and you're asking for -- something governor murphy of new jersey asked for the same thing -- for the department of

homeland security and uscis to extend work permits for immigrants including those on daca. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. there's no reason that these folks -- some of that workforce is undocumented, and there are four or five major american industries that would not exist the way that they do but for immigrant labor and some of that undocumented immigrant labor. and there's no reason during this pandemic when these are essential workers that we should even think about deporting them. they also deserve, as other workers do, like health care workers, sanitation workers, truckers, i think -- they deserve some kind of hazard pay for making the choice to be out there and to continue to work and put themselves at risk. >> when i look out the window here in manhattan every night at 7:00, we applaud the frontline workers and we're talking about emts and police and doormen and delivery people and some massive

percentage of those delivery people are latino. they're hispanic. they're out there. they sometimes in most cases cannot make a choice not to be there, but they're dropping off our food. they're delivering our food. they're opening people's doors. they're taking care of people on the street. and there are a number of people in this country that are of mixed status in their family. some of them have social security numbers. some of them have tax identification numbers because they actually pay tax, but they don't qualify for the rebate. >> yeah, that's right. and this was a big debate during the c.a.r.e.s. package. in the house version of that bill, the way that money was going to be -- financial assistance was going to be distributed is under what is called individual tax identification numbers. some people who are undocumented or other workers don't have social security numbers, but they're still out there either working hard or have been working hard. and they're getting nothing. but more than that, if you have somebody who is undocumented, who is married to a u.s. citizen

and has u.s. citizen children, they are also getting nothing. the whole family gets nothing just because you have one person who may be undocumented, and that is also an incredible injustice. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. thank you for your work on this front. congressman joaquin castro of san antonio. that is tonight's last word. i'm going to see you tomorrow morning starting at 8:00 a.m. right here on msnbc for my normal weekend show and a big programming note for tomorrow. watch lady gaga, paul mccartney, elton john, taylor swift, jennifer lopez, brad pitt, lizzo, billie eilish and more join forces for "one world, together at home," a global entertainment special to support the world health organization and the global fight to end covid-19. the event's going to be hosted by jimmy fallon, stephen colbert, and jimmy kimmel. the pre-show starts tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern on nbc news

now and watch the special broadcast at 8:00 p.m. eastern on all the networks of nbc news. "the 11th hour" with brian williams begins now. a rainy night in an empty times square. no tourists. good evening on this day 184 of the trump administration which means effective tonight, there are now 200 days remaining until the election. as for our current president a starting the day calling for liberation for three states observing his guidelines. he moved on to his briefing. in no order, he repeated what he